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Vicky Krieps on the feminist Western 'The Dead Don't Hurt' and how she leaves behind past roles

TORONTO (AP) ā€” Vicky Krieps noticed that while thereā€™s plenty of instruction for getting into a role, there's curiously little about getting out of one.
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Vicky Krieps poses for a portrait to promote the film " The Dead Don't Hurt" during the Toronto International Film Festival, Saturday, Sept. 9, 2023, in Toronto. (Photo by Joel C Ryan/Invision/AP)

TORONTO (AP) ā€” Vicky Krieps noticed that while thereā€™s plenty of instruction for getting into a role, there's curiously little about getting out of one.

For Krieps, the disarmingly natural Luxembourgish actor of ā€œPhantom Thread,ā€ and itā€™s not a small issue. It may even be the most important part of the process. If she's still stuck the headspace of a character, she can't keep moving forward.

After struggling in the aftermath of her breakthrough in Paul Thomas Andersonā€™s ā€œPhantom Thread,ā€ in which she starred opposite Daniel Day-Lewis, Krieps found a solution. She could put a capstone on the character through music.

ā€œI have to leave my characters in a peaceful way and say: Now she lives in song,ā€ says Krieps.

Krieps, 39, has since followed every performance by writing a song for the character. She sings and plays acoustic guitar. She's currently recording an album of those songs but she took a break to travel to the for the premiere of her latest film, directed by Viggo Mortensen.

The film, Mortensenā€™s second and most accomplished directing effort, is a Western from a different, more feminist perspective. Mortensen plays a Danish immigrant named Holger who meets the French-Canadian Vivienne (Krieps) in San Francisco. They soon settle down in a corrupt Nevada town, but Holger is compelled to join the Union Army. Vivienne is left in their remote cabin, and is brutally raped while Holger is away.

Vivienneā€™s song, Krieps says, is sad and dark.

ā€œIt starts as a lullaby of a woman singing her child to sleep,ā€ Krieps says, sipping tea in a hotel restaurant. ā€œAnd it always breaks off when she says, ā€˜I canā€™t sleep. I canā€™t close my eyes.ā€™ There's the hope of him coming back. At the same time, this is something thatā€™s been done to women over centuries.ā€

ā€œThe Dead Donā€™t Hurt,ā€ one of the highlights among the films on sale in Toronto, received from the Screen Actors Guild-American Federation of Radio and Television Artists since it was an independent production and doesnā€™t yet have a distributor. Krieps is also to receive a tribute award at the festival.

The film is the latest in a naturally evolving project for Krieps of playing women throughout history who reject the social conventions of their times. In last yearā€™s she played the much constricted, independently minded 19th century Austrian Empress Elisabeth. In the ā€™50s-set ā€œPhantom Thread,ā€ only her Alma is capable of countering a battle of wills with Day-Lewisā€™s fastidious couturier Reynolds Woodcock. In ā€œThe Dead Donā€™t Hurt,ā€ Vivienne packs her bags to flee after the assault, then puts them down and resolves to stay.

ā€œAt one point you have to ask yourself: What are you living for? I do believe that something is changing for women and Iā€™m part of this. I can tap into my grandmothers and great-grandmothers and also try to connect with whoā€™s coming and who was before," says Krieps. "I donā€™t really know why. I just know thatā€™s how it feels. I think the dialogue is broken between men and women because women learned to hide the wound.ā€

Since 2017's ā€œPhantom Thread," Krieps has emerged as one the moviesā€™ most authentic, instinctive and defiant screen presences. It's not an act, either. Krieps, who lives in Berlin with her partner and two children, is herself a force of stubborn independence.

She doesnā€™t like to rehearse. Every take she does differently. Sheā€™s willing, she says, to risk a scene being bad in order to make it real.

ā€œAnd I believe inside: They canā€™t tell me what to do,ā€ says Krieps, smiling. ā€œI was working with Gabriel Garcia Bernal, and he was like, ā€˜I think this director really wants us to say the lines.ā€™ And I said, ā€˜I donā€™t care. They cannot tell me what to do.ā€™ And he looked at me rather impressed.

ā€œFor me, art is like a wild creature,ā€ she adds. ā€œTo tame it, you pretend that youā€™re not seeing it. But, of course, I want it to come to me so badly.ā€

This rebellious streak in Krieps is clearly present in other parts of her life. She describes being resentful of a streaming service that, after she had played Hitchcock, would recommend only things like ā€œTomb Raider."

ā€œYouā€™re trying to (expletive) influence me!ā€ she says. ā€œAnd by chance, itā€™s made by you as well. What a coincidence! Thatā€™s why the system is (expletive). Itā€™s hiding good cinema.ā€

Krieps, a deeply anti-algorithm actor, has sensed that her progress in the film industry, too, could become its own construct. She has, she says, tried to work frequently with first or second-time directors. She's turned down many more Hollywood offers than she's accepted.

ā€œIf I get too comfortable, then I might be led into superficial things as well,ā€ Krieps says. ā€œAs an actor, you could be easily led into some life thatā€™s not your life. You start thinking of who you are as an actor. ā€˜Oh, Iā€™m this guy,ā€™ or ā€˜Iā€™m this woman. Thatā€™s what they like me for.ā€™ All this stuff and the gifts and the parties, the ā€˜I love youā€™ and ā€˜I love you too!ā€™ Itā€™s like foam. It goes up and up and then thereā€™s nothing left thatā€™s actually real.ā€

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Jake Coyle, The Associated Press