NEW YORK (AP) â When Sarah Polley has flown from her home in Toronto to the U.S. this year for the release of her film sheâs had conversations with customs officials that usually go something like this:
âWhat are you here for?â
âIâm screening a film.â
âWhatâs the name of the film?â
âWomen Talking.â
âThen I get either the biggest eyeroll youâve ever seen or I get something openly confrontational like, âIâve had enough of that in my life. Iâm not going to see that movie,â Polley says. âThen I have to decide whether to take the bait and risk not getting into the country.â
Sometimes, she does take the bait. The title, she notes, isnât âWomen Shoutingâ or âWomen Berating.â And yet sheâs found itâs often received like a confrontation.
âOne guy I asked: âSo if I told you there was this movie called â12 Angry Men,â would you feel the same way?ââ Polley, the 43-year-old Canadian filmmaker and actor, said on a recent stop in New York. âHe was like âI donât know.â And I was like, âWell, I think you should just sit with that then. I still want to get into the country, Iâm just saying to sit with that.ââ
Simple as its title may be, âWomen Talkingâ is a radical work, in both its subject matter and execution. Itâs adapted from , loosely based , about an ultraconservative Mennonite colony in Bolivia where many of the villageâs women gather in a hayloft to discuss a deeply alarming revelation: Men in their colony have been drugging and raping them in their sleep.
The conversation that unspools among the women (the ensemble includes Claire Foy, Jessie Buckley, Rooney Mara, Judith Ivey, Sheila McCarthy and Ben Wishaw as the lone man in the room) is riven with questions of justice, fate and spirituality. Should they stay or leave? Remake the community or start it anew?
Specific as the circumstances are, the dialogue â at turns furious, anguished, ruminative and hopeful â more properly takes place in a realm of fable. could be anywhere, anytime. The conflicting points of view could even be one womanâs inner monologue. Itâs a story that reverberates with the present realities of #MeToo yet itâs also archetypal, out of time.
âIâm really curious about a way forward,â says Polley. âIâm really curious about what it feels like to not judge myself if and when anger comes up, to just not live there. What healing looks like and what building something better looks like.â
It was that forward-looking nature in âWomen Talkingâ that first struck Frances McDormand, a producer of the film who also plays a small role as a character named Scarface Janz. After reading Toewsâ book, McDormand sent it to Dede Gardner, the Oscar-winning producer and president of Plan B Entertainment.
âWhen I read it, I was really confused about the conversation around predatory abuse, predatory abuse of power, what hadnât changed and what seemed to be literally in reversal from when I was an idealistic, broad-eyed, bushy-tailed feminist at 17,â McDormand says. âAll the things I thought were possible seemed to be shifting.â
âMiriam framed the conversation about the future,â McDormand adds. âNot about the past or about the murky present, but a bright future where the rules can change.â
As the production took shape, with Polley writing the script, âWomen Talking,â itself, became an opportunity to challenge and remake the largely male-written rules of the film industry. Polley, director of the Alice Munro adaptation âAway From Herâ and the family investigation âStories We Tell,â had had three children in the decade since directing her last film. She wanted to foster a more humane working environment, with child care, reasonable hours and open dialogue.
âWe literally made a wish list: If it could be a utopian world, what would it look like?â says McDormand. âThere is a difference between a matriarchal system of working and a patriarchal one. The whole process was different because it was women talking. I really love Dedeâs answer for this. She says: Itâs not that hard to do. You just bake it into the budget. I think itâs a really great phrase that we need to use in the industry more. You bake shorter days. You bake the idea that the entire crew should not be sacrificing their personal lives for the making of the film. Itâs not cancer research.â
Foy, who movingly plays a woman named Salome, entered a film environment unlike any she had encountered before.
âIt wasnât like it was an all-female set or anything like that,â says Foy. âBut it was the first time I had done anything from a female perspective and about something women experience as it is, as opposed to how itâs been in movies that are directed by people who arenât women. There are basically three generations of actors on that set and all of them were doing it for the first time â which is, I donât think, necessarily a glowing report of the film industry.â
A title card at the start of âWomen Talkingâ describes it as âan act of female imagination.â Often, that imagination was inspired by real-life experience that filtered into the movie. A second or simultaneous dialogue transpired during the filmâs making as the troupe shared stories with one another. A therapist specializing in trauma after sexual assault was present on set.
âThese conversations would happen with people of all genders on our set, and we would come to a better place through everyoneâs collective experience,â says Polley. âThose were, for me, the most magical moments."
Polley had experience to draw on, too. In her autobiographical essay collection, published earlier this year, Polley recounts an sexual encounter, when she was 16, with the former CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi, who . In the essay, Polley describes how she struggled with whether to come forward with her experience with him during the high-profile trial, and felt guilty after she didnât. Ghomeshi maintained the allegations were inaccurate but acknowledged He didn't respond to messages.
âInevitably and understandably at the beginning of this conversation thatâs happened the last five years, there was a lot about naming and pointing out individuals, and that can be an important part of the process,â says Polley. âBut I think a more important part of the process in my mind is looking at the systemic problems that lead to people being able to behave like that.â
Outside of the frequently fractious public #MeToo debates, âWomen Talking" found a sustained conversation forged on togetherness, mutual respect and the possibility of creating a new path forward.
âIt was magical, basically,â says Foy. âIt was a magical, if not harrowing and sometimes very difficult, experience. But it was, like, the whole reason anyone does this for a living.â
The actors reached the hayloft by one of two staircases. It was, McDormand says, like entering a sacred space. For McDormand, the experience making âWomen Talkingâ felt like forging something new in a film industry that has made strides in women behind the camera, but one where a film like âWomen Talkingâ is still a clear exception.
âSpeaking from a position as a 65-year-old person whoâs been in the industry, itâs a really good time for all of us to sit still, keep our mouths closed and listen,â says McDormand. âThatâs what Iâve been given the great good fortune to do with Sarah and Dede and watch them take the industry to the next place that it has to go. No more stasis. Not interested.â
Just getting âWomen Talking,â shot during the pandemic after a one-year delay because of COVID-19 made was an accomplishment. To Polley, more heart rending was that it proved that such a conversation is possible to have, in a hayloft or anywhere else.
âIt felt so utopian at so many points that I think it shifted my worldview,â says Polley. âI just feel so much less cynical after going through this experience.â
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